Note: About layover hotels (New List as of April
2018) Lists are no longer accessible on the DeltaNet. The page is password protected for our PCN
group ONLY. Please use the password of pcnpilot
joel
Payne
Issue Area -Travel
Comments - UPDATED HOTEL LIST?
While traveling, I have found the
PCN gathered list of crew hotels to be of some value. Noticed the list is going
on 2 years old, and wondered about the chances of an updated list. The Summer
of 2018, I used the list to book a room in MUC for what I thought was a good
rate of 106 Euro/night [room only]. Upon check in we were offered a 50%
discount on the breakfast, but ONLY if we took it for all 3 nights of our stay.
Passed on that deal, since we didn't know how early we would be starting some
days. Then, this past Summer [July], I received a rate of $85/ night for a
SUITE at the Holiday Inn DEN a/p. This is where the crews stay on short
layovers. The manager said they were about to become a Hilton, hence the
inquiry about an updated list. Not having as much luck with the NH chain of
hotels in AMS for Spring of 2020. I have made 2 telephone calls to the NH
central reservations number. On the 1st one, a very nice lady [Ania?] took all
my information and said they'd get back to me. They NEVER did. On the 2nd call,
after I told the lady I was having a hard time understanding her, she hung up
on me. Also tried emailing both crew hotels [prefer having a paper trail]
twice. NEVER even got a response IE: yes, no, maybe. Nothing. Would still like
to see an updated list, since hotel contracts are probably only good for a year
or so. Thanks- Joel Payne B767A [ret.]
Editor:
Capt Payne I really appreciate you using the info provided by Delta for
crewmembers and shared on the PCN. Full
disclosure I used to try and get a crewmember discount at hotels after
retirement for about 5 years. Many times
the request was granted especially when Delta ID card shown. Now, I use miles and points and rarely pay
cash for a hotel. But to answer, Capt
Payne’s question, that information, as all other operational information, used
to be accessible on the DeltaNet, to even retirees, since they didn’t isolate
retirees from active employees. That is
not the case today. Other operational info such as bid awards, seniority list,
etc are also not accessible from the retiree login on our limited
DeltaNet. It may be possible to get a hold of an updated
list but the PCN would have to get some help from Delta or active employees. That may be something the new PCN Dir will
want to tackle. In the meantime a list
that is admittedly dated yet does contain many hotels still used by Delta with
negotiated room rates for company personnel.
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TROUBLE WITH DELTANET PASSWORD UPDATE!
DeltaNet
alerted me that my password needed to be updated. So like a good user I clicked on the login
page ‘update password link’ and it failed to travel to correct page multiple
times. I thought Hhmmmm. They want me to
update but I can’t get to correct page.
The links do not work in every browser.
I personally have the best luck in DeltaNet with MS Internet Explorer or
Edge. When I finally got to the correct
page and tried to update the password DeltaNet wouldn’t recognize it and after
5 tries it locked me out. Now you can
wait 24 hours and the lockout resets and you can try it again, so I did. But to no avail, and I got locked out
again. Alas, when you have password
login difficulties, keep these phone numbers close by as they may become your
lifeline to getting your password reset:
Call 1-404-714-4357 (HELP) or Toll Free 1-888-714-0529 (US, Canada, & US
Territories)
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Re-Print from HL 310: (This policy is old but not religiously enforced before)
BIG TRAVELNET LOGIN
CAUTION!!!!!!
IF THIS IS TRUE…..PLEASE BE
CAREFUL!!!!
From: Linda
M Greener <lindamgreener@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM
Subject: 👀 Rita Walters posted this again today on Delta Non Rev Facebook page 👀
To: <ken.McConnell9@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 12:13 PM
Subject: 👀 Rita Walters posted this again today on Delta Non Rev Facebook page 👀
To: <ken.McConnell9@gmail.com>
Heads up 👀
Appears
this needs be reposted.
This is from a VERY trusted person....
**PSA part Deux**
(I’m just the messenger trying to save your benefits and career)
There was a company-wide email sent out reminding employees of 2 important policies. Violating them can have repercussions including loss of flying benefits, promotions or termination......Email re adhering to security policies....was sent early October....Don’t have exact date!!!
1. Only the employee is allowed to use their log in credentials.
Per policy you are NOT allowed to give login credentials to anyone for any reason! This includes ANYONE in your PPR list. Your PPR list people are required to use the Travel line or you, the employee, to handle the search, listing and check in if needed.
The company has automaton to flag logins from separate locations.
Example:
Employee is a Gate agent and working Gate Z99 in East Paducah airport. Their spouse (non employee) is in Seattle signed into Travelnet and checking and listing for flights. This will cause a RED FLAG🚩 with the company. The employee has now put their flight benefits and career in jeopardy.
2. Using unapproved Third party apps to login into DeltaNet or TravelNet is forbidden.
Apparently there are apps or programs out there that employees are using for themselves or allowing others to use to gain access for various reasons. I was unaware of this until I posted my first PSA and was informed of their existence thanks to some FGF followers. Regardless, there is apparently automation in place to flag these logins. If you are caught using them you are risking your flight benefits and possibly your job!!
Since I posted my first PSA, I have been informed of the following, all due to allowing a non-employee in their PPR to login using their credentials.
7 fired
1 = 3 year loss of flying benefits and loss of any promotions.
1 = 1 year loss of flying benefits
As for the people that sign at work with multiple devices and VPNs that show you in different geographical locations. Common sense would dictate that as long as you can explain this with proof it’s only you, then I would think you are safe.
If you use multiple devices at same time to check loads etc, I do this also, I would think you are safe if you show in same location. It’s the logins in two widely different locations that seem to be the Red Flag🚩 target.
We are all adults here, you do what you want to do with this information.
Until some kind of app or better system is in place the Travel line should be your friend.
1-800-325-7123
This is from a VERY trusted person....
**PSA part Deux**
(I’m just the messenger trying to save your benefits and career)
There was a company-wide email sent out reminding employees of 2 important policies. Violating them can have repercussions including loss of flying benefits, promotions or termination......Email re adhering to security policies....was sent early October....Don’t have exact date!!!
1. Only the employee is allowed to use their log in credentials.
Per policy you are NOT allowed to give login credentials to anyone for any reason! This includes ANYONE in your PPR list. Your PPR list people are required to use the Travel line or you, the employee, to handle the search, listing and check in if needed.
The company has automaton to flag logins from separate locations.
Example:
Employee is a Gate agent and working Gate Z99 in East Paducah airport. Their spouse (non employee) is in Seattle signed into Travelnet and checking and listing for flights. This will cause a RED FLAG🚩 with the company. The employee has now put their flight benefits and career in jeopardy.
2. Using unapproved Third party apps to login into DeltaNet or TravelNet is forbidden.
Apparently there are apps or programs out there that employees are using for themselves or allowing others to use to gain access for various reasons. I was unaware of this until I posted my first PSA and was informed of their existence thanks to some FGF followers. Regardless, there is apparently automation in place to flag these logins. If you are caught using them you are risking your flight benefits and possibly your job!!
Since I posted my first PSA, I have been informed of the following, all due to allowing a non-employee in their PPR to login using their credentials.
7 fired
1 = 3 year loss of flying benefits and loss of any promotions.
1 = 1 year loss of flying benefits
As for the people that sign at work with multiple devices and VPNs that show you in different geographical locations. Common sense would dictate that as long as you can explain this with proof it’s only you, then I would think you are safe.
If you use multiple devices at same time to check loads etc, I do this also, I would think you are safe if you show in same location. It’s the logins in two widely different locations that seem to be the Red Flag🚩 target.
We are all adults here, you do what you want to do with this information.
Until some kind of app or better system is in place the Travel line should be your friend.
1-800-325-7123
Editor Notes and Request: First, a request: If any PCN retiree has had benefits suspended
or terminated I would like to know the details.
Please contact me. My notes and
thoughts: I would think that the company
has less concern about retirees for a number of reasons. The retiree login has been changed to a
“limited” DeltaNet access a few years ago.
An unauthorized user would then have a whole lot less sensitive area
access than an active employee login.
For that reason, my hunch is the company will spend less resources
hunting down and punishing retiree violations of this policy. If I am wrong, then I would like to hear from
any who know more on this subject.
We earned our travel benefits, let’s
use them. At the same time the company has a legitimate right to control login
access. A few good practices will
prevent heartburn, raised blood pressure or worse a letter from ivory tower.
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Date: 10/26/2019 11:45:52 AM
Subject: Questionable info
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Mark,
Thanks for
continuing the PCN publications. I find them interesting and informative.
However in #310, the info about only the employee logging into Travelnet
has some questionable info. I’ve asked the Local Delta Pioneer chapter
president to verify it. Then, my Computer Genius son called and pointed out
some indications that much was misinformation and the message had
characteristics of a bogus email. It states “from a reliable source” without
citing that source, and the log in must come from a computer that has one’s own
name. He says that a log-in will not show the name on one’s computer. He had
some other technical points that I can’t remember. Perhaps you’ll hear from
others that are much more tech savvy than me. I hope so, but in the meantime,
said son advised me not to forward that info to anyone.
Mark,
Also, my son said that he thought the Delta
regulation is correct, and that it has been in effect for years, but has not
been rigidly enforced. He was skeptical that there have been 7 fired and the
other pass suspension. I hope we can find someone that can substantiate how
much is factual.
Thanks again
for your good work.
Ret’d
9-1-1991
Editor:
I thank Capt Fisher for the valuable add on info about this policy. I personally do not know if people have lost
benefits or have been fired for this but I pass it along so we can operate
under caution. If PCN members can add
insight to this issue of multiple logins from remote locations causing a red
flag, please post to the High Life and I will publish your story.
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