From: "Pete
Kammerrmeyer" <easykamm@garlic.com>
Date: August 15, 2013, 4:55:26 PM CDT
To: <mark@pilotcommunication.net>
Subject: ENQUIRY
Reply-To: "Pete Kammerrmeyer" <easykamm@garlic.com>
Date: August 15, 2013, 4:55:26 PM CDT
To: <mark@pilotcommunication.net>
Subject: ENQUIRY
Reply-To: "Pete Kammerrmeyer" <easykamm@garlic.com>
I am a retired WAL/DAL pilot. My friend Bruce Cowee is publishing a book titled Vietnam to Western Airlines. Bruce and I were in the AF together and then on to WAL. This book will be on the shelves by Veterans Day 2013. Could you post this in your next "High Life"
Mark,
I forgot to mention Bruce was
hired by WAL in 1972 and retired from DAL in 2004 as a B767A in LAX.
Pete Kammermeyer
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The following is admittedly political, but
makes valid points concerning this attack.
From: "Dave
Norvell" <dgnorvell@hotmail.com>
Date: August 16, 2013, 3:42:24 PM CDT
Subject: RETIRED PILOTS VIEW
Date: August 16, 2013, 3:42:24 PM CDT
Subject: RETIRED PILOTS VIEW
PILOTS VIEW
Bengazi truth from a fighter pilot.
"Hands" was my boss when I was on the USAF Stan Eval team when you and
I were both stationed at Ramstein in the late 70's. I guess
"outspoken" is an understatement because Phil would tell it like it
was and that is the main reason he was so well respected by all of
those who ever worked for him. As far as I know he was the only pilot
"living" to loop a C-130. His "outspokenness" did get him fired as the
F-15 wing commander at Luke. At his going away speech he was given a
45 minute (or something close to that....I wasn't there, just heard
about it) standing ovation. Phil is kind of like a George Patton in
that he needed to be wrapped up and saved for combat. He is a hell of
a guy and I would fly with him anytime.
Gentlemen
I would say every US fighter pilot, retired or on active duty, knows
that Panetta and Dempsey both are full of crap when they said there
was no time to send help to Benghazi. They claim it was a problem of
"time/space." All my friends and I said, "Bullshit." We know they
could have gotten F-16s there from Aviano.
"Hands" Handley is a well-respected USAF fighter pilot. Here is his
short resume and what he just wrote about Benghazi below that. If
anything, Handley is pessimistic in his timeline of when F-16s could
have reached Benghazi . I think they could have been airborne even
sooner and turned quicker at Sig. The decision to not try was not
based on capability. We had the operational capability in every way.
I hope Handley's taxes are in order. His IRS audit is forthcoming.
111111 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Eagle Biography
Bengazi truth from a fighter pilot.
"Hands" was my boss when I was on the USAF Stan Eval team when you and
I were both stationed at Ramstein in the late 70's. I guess
"outspoken" is an understatement because Phil would tell it like it
was and that is the main reason he was so well respected by all of
those who ever worked for him. As far as I know he was the only pilot
"living" to loop a C-130. His "outspokenness" did get him fired as the
F-15 wing commander at Luke. At his going away speech he was given a
45 minute (or something close to that....I wasn't there, just heard
about it) standing ovation. Phil is kind of like a George Patton in
that he needed to be wrapped up and saved for combat. He is a hell of
a guy and I would fly with him anytime.
Gentlemen
I would say every US fighter pilot, retired or on active duty, knows
that Panetta and Dempsey both are full of crap when they said there
was no time to send help to Benghazi. They claim it was a problem of
"time/space." All my friends and I said, "Bullshit." We know they
could have gotten F-16s there from Aviano.
"Hands" Handley is a well-respected USAF fighter pilot. Here is his
short resume and what he just wrote about Benghazi below that. If
anything, Handley is pessimistic in his timeline of when F-16s could
have reached Benghazi . I think they could have been airborne even
sooner and turned quicker at Sig. The decision to not try was not
based on capability. We had the operational capability in every way.
I hope Handley's taxes are in order. His IRS audit is forthcoming.
111111 `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
Eagle Biography
Eagle Biography
Colonel Phil "Hands"
Handley
Colonel Phil "Hands"
Handley is credited with the highest speed air-
to-air gun kill in the history of
aerial combat. He flew operationally
for all but
11 months of a 26-year career, in
aircraft such as the F-86 Sabre,
F-15 Eagle, and the C-130A Hercules.
Additionally, he flew 275 combat
missions during two tours in
Southeast Asia in the F- 4D and F-4E. His
awards include 21 Air Medals, 3
Distinguished Flying Crosses, and the
Silver Star.
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Betrayal in Benghazi
Phil "Hands" Handley
Colonel, USAF (Ret.)
The combat code of the US Military
is that we don't abandon our dead
or wounded on the battlefield. In US
Air Force lingo, fighter pilots
don't run off and leave their
wingmen. If one of our own is shot down,
still alive and not yet in enemy
captivity, we will either come to get
him or die trying.
Among America's fighting forces, the
calm, sure knowledge that such an
irrevocable bond exists is
priceless. Along with individual faith and
personal grit, it is a sacred trust
that has often sustained hope in
the face of terribly long odds.
The disgraceful abandonment of our
Ambassador and those brave ex-SEALs
who fought to their deaths to save
others in that compound is nothing
short of dereliction-of-duty.
Additionally, the patently absurd
cover-up scenario that was
fabricated in the aftermath was an
outright lie in an attempt to
shield the President and the
Secretary of State from responsibility.
It has been over eight months since
the attack on our compound in Benghazi.
The White House strategy, with the
aid of a "lap dog" press has been
to run out the clock before the
truth is forthcoming.
The recent testimonies of the three
"whistle blowers" have reopened
the subject and hopefully will lead
to exposure and disgrace of those
responsible for this embarrassing
debacle. It would appear that the
most recent firewall which the
Administration is counting on is the
contention "that there were
simply no military assets that could be
brought to bear in time to make a
difference" mainly due to the
unavailability of tanker support for
fighter aircraft.
This is simply BS, regardless how
many supposed "experts" the
Administration trot out to make such
an assertion.
The bottom line is that even if the
closest asset capable of response
was half-way around the world, you
don't just sit on your penguin ass
and do nothing.
The fact is that the closest asset
was not half-way around the world,
but as near as Aviano Air Base,
Italy where two squadrons of F-16Cs
are based.
Consider the following scenario (all
times Benghazi local): When Hicks
in Tripoli receives a call at 9:40
PM from Ambassador Stevens
informing him "Greg, we are
under attack!" (his last words), he
immediately notifies all agencies
and prepares for the immediate
initiation of an existing
"Emergency Response Plan."
At AFRICON, General Carter Ham
attempts to mount a rescue effort, but
is told to "stand down".
By 10:30 PM an unarmed drone is overhead the
compound and streaming live feed to
various "Command and Control
Agencies" and everyone watching
that feed knew damn well what was
going on.
At 11:30 PM Woods, Doherty and five
others leave Tripoli, arriving in
Benghazi at 1:30 AM on Wednesday
morning, where they hold off the
attacking mob from the roof of the
compound until they are killed by a
mortar direct hit at 4:00 AM.
So nothing could have been done, eh?
Nonsense. If one assumes that
tanker support really "was not
available" what about this:
When at 10:00 PM AFRICON alerts the
31st TFW Command Post in Aviano
Air Base, Italy of the attack, the
Wing Commander orders preparation
for the launch of two F-16s and
advises the Command Post at NAS
Sigonella to prepare for hot pit
refueling and quick turn of the jets.
By 11:30 PM, two F-16Cs with drop
tanks and each armed with five
hundred 20 MM rounds are airborne.
Flying at 0.92 mach they will cover
the 522 nautical miles directly to
NAS Sigonella in 1.08 hours. While
in-route, the flight lead is
informed of the tactical situation, rules
of engagement, and radio frequencies
to use.
The jets depart Sigonella at 1:10 AM
with full fuel load and cover the
377 nautical miles directly to
Benghazi in 0.8 hours, arriving at 1:50
AM which would be 20 minutes after
the arrival of Woods, Doherty and
their team.
Providing that the two F-16s initial
pass over the mob, in full
afterburner at 200 feet and 550
knots did not stop the attack in its
tracks, only a few well placed
strafing runs on targets of opportunity
would assuredly do the trick.
Were the F-16s fuel state
insufficient to recover at Sigonelli after
jettisoning their external drop tanks,
they could easily do so at
Tripoli International Airport , only
one-half hour away.
As for those hand-wringing naysayers
who would worry about IFR
clearances, border crossing
authority, collateral damage, landing
rights, political correctness and dozens
of other reasons not to act,
screw them. It is high time that our
"leadership" get their priorities
straight and put America's interests
first.
The end result would be that Woods
and Doherty would be alive. Dozens
in the attacking rabble would be rendezvousing
with "72 virgins" and a
clear message would have been sent
to the next worthless POS terrorist
contemplating an attack on Americans
that it is not really a good idea
to "tug" on Superman's
cape.
Of course all this would depend upon
a Commander In Chief that was
more concerned with saving the lives
of those he put in harm's way
than getting his crew rested for a
campaign fund raising event in Las
Vegas the next day.
As well as a Secretary of State that
actually understood "What
difference did it make?", or a
Secretary of Defense whose immediate
response was not to the effect that
"One of the military tenants is
that you don't commit assets until
you fully understand the tactical
situation." Was he not watching
a live feed from the unarmed drone,
and he didn't understand the
tactical situation?
Ultimately it comes down to the
question of who gave that order to
stand down? Whoever that coward
turns out to be should be exposed,
removed from office, and face
criminal charges for dereliction of
duty. The combat forces of the
Untied States of America deserve
leadership that really does "have their
back" when the chips are down.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Full post disclaimer in left column. PCN Home Page is located at: http://pcn.homestead.com/home01.html
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