From: Steve Lutz
Date: 12/1/2012 3:16:33 PM
To: PCN Sztanyo Mark
Subject: Fw: New
Delta Pass Policy 2012 Revised.
Hi Mark.
For your information I sent this to the below
e-mails, and everyone else I could think of to get some information out.
Your doing a great job. We are all lucky to
have you on board.
Ret. Capt. WAL/DAL
Stephen Lutz
From: Steve Lutz
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: New Delta Pass Policy 2012 Revised.
Please forward to those concerned
Revised Comments. Please take the time to
read even though it may be coming in late.
Retiree’s not informed enough of this new
proposed pass policy.
New proposed Delta pass policy.
Its hard to believe that now as a retire we
will have to compete with all the other retiree's below us in seniority for a
seat based on a new pass policy of S 3 retire departure day pass that may go
into effect. It is becoming that Seniority means nothing anymore. The 1 day
employee gets the seat before 30-40 or 50 year retired employee as it is. Now a
individual that has been retired for 1 day can bump a 80 year old retire
because he does not have a computer or does not understand this new system that
may go into effect.
As you can tell, by the number of people that
have voted on this new proposal and that have written in, very few retires are
aware of these possible changes. A very small number of votes will be
representing a tremendous amount of retires. Most employees have no idea how
many Thousands of retires are out there. This information has been sent out by
mouth or computer access only. SO MANY of our RETIRES have very LITTLE contact
with Delta anymore and have limited knowledge of how to communicate with Delta
on a computer. For retires to have a fair choice on voting on this, you should
have mailed this information
with the proposed changes to each employee in
plenty of time so that they could have
discussed it with other employees. (This has a huge effect on the retired
employee traveling on a Delta Pass.)
When the airplanes are full we will all have
to use this special S-3 retire pass to help us get on the flight regardless of
our seniority, It will be a guess who is using their pass and who is not. There
will be no more help from fellow employees that are traveling on Delta passes
as to alternatives on how you might be able to get to your destination as they
may have to do the same thing. After we use all our passes we will now be
placed on the bottom of the list below all the S-3 retires pass holders that
have not used their passes for the rest of the year. (Thousands of them.}
Whether you’re a 10-20-30-40 year employee or beyond you will always be
threatened by those below you in Seniority. For those that travel a lot are
will aware of this.
We don’t know how these passes will work. Is
this pass good to your destination and back regardless of the route required to
get there? If we are bumped in route are we required to use an additional S-3
retiree pass to get to our destination? If we are stuck someplace for several
days, Hawaii or Narita for example, is the original S-3 retiree pass still
good? Do our Wife's get the same pass? If both the S-3 retiree pass holder and
the S-3B pass holder get on the airplane and there are plenty of coach seats
but only 2 business seats, which 2 get the business seats? If the answer is the
S-3 retiree pass holder, again you will have to use a S-3B retiree pass, that
is if you have any left, to ride in business. Is this fair to any senior
employee, regardless of where he is on the seniority list?
Through our entire Air line Career, Seniority
was what established our vacations, our days off, our positions in many
departments of Delta, Pilots, Flight Attendants, Dispatchers etc.
Your now asking to take away our Seniority in
our retirement years after all the many years we have served Delta. ( In my
opinion this is certainly not going to make Delta a better Air-Line to work
for.)
The older we get the harder it is physically
to travel. Every employee works hard knowing that when they retire they (may)
be able to enjoy a nice retirement, and the pass privileges that Delta so
gratefully give us.
Many employees have been junior in seniority
their entire career’s and now you asking them to give up their seniority rights
when they retire. We have all been through the pay cuts, the bankruptcy, and
the Challenges to try and make Delta the number one Air-Line. I truly think you
are penalizing the employees with this new proposed pass policy for retirees.
I only had 38 years with Western/Delta Air
lines but I and many others gave up many of our vacations, days off, did not
ever use any of our sick leave and were called in to serve Delta in order to
avoid flight cancellations, Delays, and Repositioning of Aircraft. I do agree
that S-3B passes should not include Parents of active employees and non
dependent children of active employees, but without a doubt the retire should
be able to maintain his seniority after he retires. Your penalizing all the
senior retires that so helped this company to become what it is today. We all
age very quickly as you know. It will not be long before many more active
employees will retire and they then will realize how much this new proposed
pass policy will penalize them. I hope that you deeply consider the effect of
this new possible change before you come to your decision. As I have mentioned,
very few retires have even voted on this proposal, considering the number of
retiree's that are out there, and they are completely confused as to effect of
these changes. This is definitely not going to make Delta Air lines a greater
company to work for because of this compelling new pass policy
.
I am a retired Captain on Delta and always
felt I was working for the greatest Air Line Company in the business. I
sacrificed a lot of my family life along with many others because of working on
holidays and giving up weekends during my career, training new Pilots and
flying trips that could not be covered. I have lost my pension and had my
health benefits compromised. I now feel that you are sacrificing our seniority
again with these new proposed pass policies, however, if ever given the chance
again, with all the problems this company has had, I would go back to work for
them in a minute. There are so many wonderful people with this company.
Thank you all again for all the serious
consideration that you are putting in on these new proposed policies.
Retired Captain, Stephen Lutz.
+++++
From: William Melvin
Date: 11/29/2012 1:14:23 AM
Subject:
Non Rev boarding priority
Mark: I have been following the Ignite questionnaires, but
have not found anything about revising the boarding priority from seniority to
check in time. Those who might like check in time as a solution probably were
not around when that was in use. The switch to seniority was a big improvement.
Thanks for your efforts. Bill Melvin
+++++
Roy Farrelly
Email: royfarr2@hotmail.com
Issue Area - Non Rev
Comments - Re: IGNITE
team recommendation to provide 6 priority passes for retirees to board ahead of
active employee's unaccompanied parents/non-dependents who are also S3B.
Unless I'm not reading this correctly the only way this
could help a retiree would be if we used this thing when an 80 year old active
employee is putting their 105 year old parent unaccompanied on a flight. The
other 99.99% of the time our hire dates are ahead of employees anyway. If they
don't want to change anything then just say so, don't insult our intelligence.
+++++
From: Bill Cunningham
<wscunningham@gmail.com>
Date: November 29, 2012, 11:50:26 AM EST
To: "marksztanyo@gmail.com" <marksztanyo@gmail.com>
Subject: Retiree passes
Date: November 29, 2012, 11:50:26 AM EST
To: "marksztanyo@gmail.com" <marksztanyo@gmail.com>
Subject: Retiree passes
Mark,
It seems to me the S3 "benefit" for retirees would be good for those getting ready to retire because they could go ahead of the "old people". Less beneficial ( or not beneficial at all ) to those of us with earlier hire date. What do you think. I think it would dilute our seniority.
Bill
It seems to me the S3 "benefit" for retirees would be good for those getting ready to retire because they could go ahead of the "old people". Less beneficial ( or not beneficial at all ) to those of us with earlier hire date. What do you think. I think it would dilute our seniority.
Bill
Editor: Well, as you can tell from the above the new proposed
travel policy changes for retirees (once fully understood) are being received
with much less enthusiasm. In fact the changes
are down right disappointing. I have the
feeling the question led a lot of us to vote in the affirmative when the real
change wasn’t completely understood. I
went back in
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